Recent posts on the USC discussion forum at College Confidential, a popular website that offers college admissions counseling, have been littered with congratulations.
“Woot! Congrats USC!” reads one post. Countless others follow, all celebrating a USC victory over UCLA that has nothing to do with football.
On Aug. 17, USC surpassed UCLA in the U.S. News & World Report annual college rankings, ranking 23rd among national universities in a tie with Carnegie Mellon University, while UCLA shares the 25th spot with Wake Forest University and the University of Virginia.
UCLA fell one spot from the 2010 rankings while USC rose three spots from 26th place.
“One must give all recognition to USC’s progress in improving the quality of their institution in recent years,” said UCLA Associate Vice Chancellor Lawrence Lokman. “Their work is reflected in the rankings, and we have to congratulate them on their progress.”
The U.S. News & World Report ranks colleges based on an annual survey that gathers data on up to 16 factors, including undergraduate academic reputation, freshman retention rate, faculty resources, school selectivity, financial resources and alumni giving rate.
This year, U.S. News & World Report factored the opinions of high school counselors into the ranking calculations for the first time as part of the undergraduate academic reputation measure, which was previously calculated using data taken from a peer assessment survey of college presidents, provosts and deans.
In light of the U.S. News & World Report’s methodology, these rankings must be kept in perspective as the measures tend to favor private universities, which generally have much larger endowments than public universities, Lokman said.
“In past years, all the top public research universities except UCLA have slipped somewhat,” he said. “UCLA is incredibly strong and continues to be, even despite the budget crisis.”
Lokman added that UCLA remains a strong contender on other equally qualified rankings. UCLA ranked third in the Washington Monthly’s 2010 rankings of national universities, which ranks based on social mobility, research and service. The Academic Ranking of World Universities, also known as the Shanghai rankings, ranks more than 1,000 world universities on factors such as number of Nobel Prize winners among alumni and staff and number of articles published in the journals Nature and Science. These rankings place UCLA 13th, with USC in the 46th spot.
“We’re not showing any sour grapes here,” Lokman said. “In the end, the city wins when we have two outstanding research universities, one public and one private.”
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The Washington Monthly rankings ranked UCSD as #1 and the Shanghai rankings ranked UC – Riverside above Dartmouth. How can those be credible?
They’re credible if you see education as a tool to better lives and not as social cachet.
The Washington Monthly’s system looks at community service, research production, and meritocracy/social mobility, as opposed to US News’s obsession with American prestige rankings. For example, the Monthly uses Pell Grant enrollment, Peace Corps recruitment, and ROTC membership as criteria.
In short, US News asks “how prestigious is this college?” while the Monthly asks “what does this college produce that is beneficial to the society it inhabits?”
If you want figures, the Monthly is very forthcoming with its criteria:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/college_guide/
Go Bruins.
Oh yeah, I want to go to a school that is the best in offering community service, not so much in research or other academic fields of merit. That will really help me get a job when I graduate.
I think there’s more going on behind the rankings. U.S. News probably got a nice Trojan kickback for that one.
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When I was at UCLA almost 20 years ago, my Trojan friends and family told me about USC’s long term plans. USC did massive fundraising drives during a 20 year effort to improve their school. It was very deliberate. They took that money and used it to attract top students and faculty, as well as improve their facilities. My little brother and two of my friends were recipients of these full academic scholarships and they turned down very prestigious universities to attend USC for free. Those scholarships enabled them to afford top law and medical schools without accruing massive debt. USC didn’t have to buy that ranking – they bought good people and earned it. ;)
Don’t get me wrong I am 100% for the LA rivalry. But, some people take it too far. Sometimes us bruins do, sometimes the trojans do. I hope with these rankings being released we start working together to build LA into an even greater city, with more educated people. We have all the makings. A great liberal arts education at UCLA, top-ranked professional schools at USC, and technology powerhouse at Caltech. LA has the ability to turn itself into a truly different city, a better city even. Can’t we all just get along?
Upon closer inspection of the various factors that make up the ranking as a whole, there is a HUGE disparity in alumni giving between USC and UCLA graduates. 85% of USC alumni give back while only 15% of UCLA alumni do so. This needs to change. More Bruins need to give back to the school in order for our alma mater to maintain its position as a world renowned institution of research and higher education. If every Bruin alumni can just give back just a little bit whether that be $10, $100, or $1,000 a year, UCLA would be so much better off. UCLA cannot maintain its status and continue its mission without the proper support from its alumni.
I hate to admit it, but USC will probably rise to a point where it won’t be something to talk about in a couple of years. There’s no point to “fight on” because USC won’t be catering to the UCLA demographic in a few years anyway. USC is also nowhere near challenging UCLA in the graduate front. The rivalry will quell down soon enough.